I realize Devon is a scholar and prominent in the field of psychology but Devon seems to take a negative look at oppression trans mascs face or really seems to melt it down to misogyny and transphobia. This is fine but I think it denies some struggles trans mascs and men face, I think.

I get that Devon’s point is that men hold power and so men cannot be oppressed for being men. Like what people can’t be the subject of racism.

However, I think this ignores the unique experience of trans mascs and men where we may hold a conditional privilege in some instances but overall don’t hold true power and so being hated on for being men while not holding true male privilege is an issue. I just don’t get how that can be explained alone with misogyny and transphobia.

Of course trans fems that hate on us also choose to ignore the whole point that trans mascs and men experience misogyny and transphobia and shoot straight for we are privileged anyways.

I don’t know. Yes, misogyny and transphobia can explain a lot of a trans masc and man’s oppression but I don’t think it’s the whole story. People also need to quit denying we face those.

I do think this fails to acknowledge then that we do not necessarily hold any power as men and also can still be oppressed by other groups. Devon of course ties this back to other oppression. But this ignores that trans mascs are still a marginalized group but then hated for being men. So lacking the cis male privilege then being hated for it creates a unique dynamic.

Devon also bases this article on the experience of a few scholars that are suddenly taken more seriously professionally for being in the male group and says passing did not determine this. Devon acknowledges this isn’t everyone’s experience but I’d say it is more on the rarity side of things.

Yes, misogyny and transphobia can at the root, explain a lot of the oppression trans mascs and men experience but it’s not the full story.

There is a flavor we experience from trans fems that stems from them hating men and T and they are suddenly very opressed and so we must suddenly be privileged and erase all the misogyny and transphobia we have and do experience. Maybe you can explain this without trans misandry?

I was closing tabs on my phone, which I never do, and ran across Devon Price’s article on how transmisandry doesn’t exist. It was thrown at me one time when I said that trans fems silence trans masc voices. They also had issue with things I’ve said in the past but it all came down to the fact that there’s no way a trans fem could in anyway silence or whatever a trans man because we are men and men are in power.

I think this article is misused by trans fems that just want to hate on trans mascs and feel validated that that’s fine because we are men so we are the oppressors and so trans fems can treat us however they want as they are the oppressed. Which is wild. Trans mascs are in fact still opressed.

Even Devon acknowledges trans mascs and men are still victim of misogyny and transphobia. Devon just states that we are not oppressed specifically for being men, that it can all be tied back to other oppression other than being a man.

@kasdeya The linked channel seems to cut out some of the questions. They are included in the official EU recording, in case you want to hear them as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSla5vfGi3A

@fargate ooh - thank you! I definitely do, so I’m glad you mentioned that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXdmoeaYZ9Y

it’s so surreal to see the Stop Killing Games initiative at a European Parliament hearing

almost as surreal as seeing a parliament full of young charismatic people who take consumer rights seriously and know what a video game is. or maybe that’s just me as someone who lives in the US lol