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🌿 Mlice 🍻

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@Mlice are there any? Or have I just been lucky not to meet them.

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@Soovka @Mlice I've seen some stories and photos from USA.

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@tisha @Mlice this is some insane level of self-hatred. Supporting people who would like to see them in jail (or worse) for "degeneracy".

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@tisha @Soovka we do have our own garbage in Europe too :// guess they're less visible bc of... You know... History. lol

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@Soovka @tisha yeah ?!! But still, the fandom being very white and mostly men. 🀯🀯

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@Kuniti_shino thank you ! Wasn't easy to find a way to draw it without πŸ’VIOLENCEπŸ’ and avoiding their symbols πŸ’₯

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@Mlice Nazi non-furs should fuck off too. Off the face of the earth, the whole lot of them. neodog_knife
Amazing art, btw!

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@sikeSapi yes please !!! Thanks !! πŸ‘€πŸ‘€

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@Mlice uwww yea <3 another one that would be perfectly put OVER one of these AfD Nazi party sticker here in germany.

<3

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@Serpkah yeah the timing is... πŸ₯ΉπŸ«£

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@nlupo @Soovka @tisha cognitive dissonance going brr

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@Mlice I'm so jazzed that I was able to see you and buy from you at NFC last weekend!

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@david aaaah ,jabxisnxb πŸ‘‰πŸ‘ˆ πŸ₯Ή pleasure shared !!!!

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@Mlice your friendly reminder that the three arrows are not actually friendly to all antifascists bc one of them is anticommunist

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@bug anti-tankist ! Yup
It was a good way to don't draw the evil-symbol haha

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@Mlice cool just wanted to make sure u were aware before muting

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@bug like it's not about communism itself but precise movement into it though
I'm communist-friendly !

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@Mlice the three arrows aren't, is the thing

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@bug it's literally about tankism and authoritarian communism though... Authoritarian communism not communism

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@bug oh just see that Americans do fucked this up again 🫣 (I'm from France sorry!)

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@bug @Mlice at the time the symbol was invented, Stalinists actually were murdering their political opponents on the regular, so the designers were like, "fascist enough for us"

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@clayote @bug yeah exactly, I'm using it for this first meaning myself.

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@clayote @bug (sorry I'm dead tired and my English limited haha)

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@Mlice @bug Yeah, I once believed that communism can only thrive through a state structure, but it totally ignores the fact that society has existed before imperialism and we should in our best interests move away from imperialism.

The simple fact that the power should belong to the people (and not within a centralized figure) is why I been resonating closer and closer with the AnCom philosophy
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@clayote @Mlice right i get that but the meaning of that symbol as defined by the SPD was against communism as a whole

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@bug @clayote I'll look more into it, but was and still am persuaded of my understanding ! But ppl can do mistake though

At least we understood each other point. I'm totally not against communists, they are literally our allies 🀝

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@clayote @Mlice i.e. it's not the 30s or 40s anymore if we wanna protest executions we oughtta replace that arrow with liberalism

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@bug @Mlice Well, sure

Though tbh graphic design has advanced a lot and we can probably find something better

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@ilobmirt @Mlice ok and here is where the convo gets off track. thanks for chatting

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@bug @clayote let's go then, we're not in the 30s anymore so let's adapt our symbols, pretty ok with that idea. We do adapt our fights.

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@bug @ilobmirt thanks for your patience!!! πŸ’–
Maybe see ya if you mute me but sorry if I did something wrong. Wasn't attended !

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@ilobmirt @bug thx for answering! I'm exhausted!!! 😭
And pretty agree with your point.
Politics debates on socials are so anxious driving haha, even more in a foreign language blbl

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@Soovka @Mlice I think some of these people are edgelords, and others are so deeply immersed in an extreme worldview that they can't comprehend the absurdity of their position XD

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Charles ☭ is now tooting from queer.party

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I also became concerned when I learned that history but the communists I know all said the meaning had changed over time and literally nobody using it now intended an anti communist message.

So I went back to using it.

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@celesteh @bug yeah I've never seen it used in anti-communist contexts either (in modern times), most people I've seen use it have been anarcho-communists

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On the three arrows, the mad ramblings of a blowhard.
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I have a hunch that contemporary feelings around the symbol by communists reflect the historical lenses we take towards the Comintern, and by extension ThΓ€lmann's leadership of the KPD. They also reflect how much emotional stake one has in said historical lenses.

Maybe this is where the "Third arrow meaning authoritarian communism" line came from, although I would consider this incorrect. The SPD were far from libertarian. If I were to draw a distinction, it depends on your viewpoint. Against communism, for opportunism? Against Stalinism, for your flavour of socialism? Against authority, for liberty? One is free to interpret the meaning precisely because the historic details of the third arrow are so contextual, so specific, so lost to time.

The core flaw here is that one is supposing the symbol's interpretive framework had stood still: "These arrows have specific meanings derived from the politics of the Iron Front."

I'm not surprised a section of pseudo-historian Marxist-Leninists tend to recoil at the renewal of the symbol. In the modern day, the third arrow would be pointed at them, if we assume that the symbol had not been re-appropriated after 80 years of history. This would be the case whether it's a social democrat or anarchist waving the flag. In the former case, against the working class. In the latter case, against the Party that coopts it.

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@Mlice Yesss, Nazifurs, fuck off! And that includes "Furries for AfD" in Germany and shit like that!

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