kasdeya
kasdeya
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you know what? MMOs actually just suck as a social experience
older WoW expansions are fun as a singleplayer game (despite Blizzard’s best efforts), and OSRS is fun as a singleplayer game too (despite Jagex’s best efforts)
but like “hey do you want to hang out in WoW with me? you just have to grind for 10,000 hours and the whole time you’ll be learning how to pilot what might as well be a space shuttle. but after that we can actually play the game! or, actually after the 10,000 hours there’s no game left to play - it’s just infinite grinding. but we can finally grind together! also it’s $15/month”
“uhh no actually how about we play a normal multiplayer game instead”
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Octavia Con Amore 
Succubard's Library
OctaviaConAmore@cutie.city
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@kasdeya honestly, the most fun I had aside from co-op games was doing closed and open beta testing with friends because no game would ever have that baggage 
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@OctaviaConAmore oohh that’s a really good point! I’ve been enjoying playing Deadlock a lot and that might be part of it tbh
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Octavia Con Amore Succubard's Library
OctaviaConAmore@cutie.city
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@kasdeya is Deadlock still in a state where there isn't a prominant meta? 
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2something@transfem.social
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@kasdeya I used to really like old-school Realm of the Mad God (the Flash version) because it avoided all the criticisms I have for other MMOs (including the one you just mentioned).
The current RotMG is owned by Embracer Group and aggressively monetized, undermining all the things I liked about the old version.
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Gwen the Loitering Fox 
gwenthefops@transfem.social
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@kasdeya the one com thing with osrs is that in the unlikely event that I wanted to do something with my friends, I can use my consistent character and get rewards for said consistent character. But it definitely plays better as a massively single player online rpg with small multiplayer sections
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mg. kit
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@kasdeya I want to disagree, but I can’t
I had some great social experiences with MMOs Back In The Day™, but that was down to pretty much everything except the game itself. it was still the days of forums, so I guess a lot of people used MMOs similarly to how some people use VRchat nowadays. I know I did. but I also only ever played free to play ones so that would probably alter the experience too
I can pinpoint the exact moment in time that the social MMO died for me, and that moment was the release of tera online. game felt cold and dead on arrival, nobody was in the public chat, everybody was on skype or some such instead, including myself
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Rick Osborne
ricko@tech.lgbt@kasdeya While I agree for the most part, I have had the occasional positive, small-group social experience.
I used to work with someone who, years before, had been in one of the top 3 progression guilds in the world. He had a full-size Frostmourne replica in his office. He'd since backed off to be a (filthy) casual, but we'd occasionally meet up in WoW for random quests.
Just before Draenor launched, I was leveling a Monk and he showed up. In chatting, wherein I mentioned I'd never gotten around to seeing Firelands from Cataclysm. He asked if I wanted to. I was dubious about pulling together a raid group, and he said don't worry about it. (LFR wasn't out yet.)
He logged onto his Paladin, took a minute to respec, and invited me and 2 other coworkers to group. They hadn't seen Firelands yet, either. We all had characters who were at a level able to enter, but none of us were geared for it. Firelands was, at that point, only 1 expansion back — you still needed a raid to tackle it.
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Rick Osborne
ricko@tech.lgbtHe then proceeded to walk us through the entire raid. He solo-tanked the entire thing. I "helped" heal, but I can tell you the charts made it pretty clear that I was putting out a single-digit percent of what he was.
He called out all the strats in real time. (We were teachers, good at explaining things.) Most boiled down to "stack up on me, just a bit forward so my cone-AoE heals get you", but he was detailed enough that "we" one-shotted everything.
It was surreal and amazing.
And, ultimately, it led to months of chatter around the office about how epic it had been. And, in all seriousness, I think it really helped bond the group and improved our trust.
I mean, it was n=1 truly positive experience. But still, it was.
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@OctaviaConAmore hm I actually don’t know! I always play against bots and I get pretty overwhelmed in that game so I have no idea what my non-bot teammates are up to lol
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@2something omg I remember Realm of the Mad God! I played it for a few hours when I was younger and thought it was pretty fun. it’s such a shame that it’s been ruined now though. I feel like that’s the fate of so many multiplayer games, unfortunately
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