I’m starting to suspect that making the UI might be the hardest part of every piece of software that has a UI. like damn I want people to be able to use my code without being a command-line tech wizard but why is this so hard

also I think I’m understanding why the vast majority of FOSS projects are Like That (you have to learn a bunch of arcane bullshit before you can use them). like you would have to pay me to make another UI after this /hj

so yeah I have a new respect for UI devs and frontend devs and the bullshit that they have to deal with on a daily basis

@kasdeya Yeaaaaaah. I have looked into GUI stuff more than once, and each time noped out.

One lisp book used html for the gui lol, and honestly that seems easier than anything system related.

@Shivaekul tbh HTML is definitely much better but only because UI libraries/frameworks are so abysmally bad lol. I still hate working with HTML so much - and having to figure out what magical CSS incantation is going to get my divs to Literally Just Go Sideways or something lol

but I’m definitely glad to know that I’m not the only one struggling with this stuff - thank you

@kasdeya I'm scared of CSS XD I can see the usefulness and like the concept, but it does not play to my strengths. And in actual implementation, it does feel arcane for anything beyond the basics. I have a basic lightly edited default template I'm using for now, and I don't look forward to having to revisit it to get the details right.

@Shivaekul omg having a template is so smart. I tend to obsess over stuff like margins and padding, and do all of that by hand (which makes it look inconsistent, which makes me do even more margin/padding stuff by hand)

@kasdeya good ui is like playing the piano — when it's done well, the actual mechanics of playing fade away and it feels to the audience like it's effortless . . . until you make a small mistake and then that's all everyone can think about

also everyone thinks that just because they took lessons once they could sit down and perform, but actual mastery is rather rare

@kasdeya Haha, it came with one of the tutorials/books I did, and I liked it well enough to allow me to concentrate on other things. But I'm sure when I do come back to do it for real I will get right down there in the weeds with you.

@kasdeya what do you think of those who do UIs because we enjoy it

@kaylee I’m ngl I don’t understand it at all, but I’m glad that people like that (like you?) exist because someone needs to do it. but y’all must be masochists or something :P

@kasdeya you’re welcome 🫡

@tempest @kasdeya yeaaaaaaahhh